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MJ-12 Documents Exposed? Maybe...Maybe Not!

Tim Matthews (matthews@zetnet.co.uk) writes:

The only highlight at yesterday's pretty awful UFO Magazine (UK) Conference (Day 1) was where UK researcher-author Tim Good BLEW the "new" batch of MJ-12 documents out of the water. In his presentation, that last just 25 minutes (he then did an impromptu Q+A session), he EXPOSED Tim Cooper, the US researcher and associate of Joe Firmage, in an excellent display of detailed and ground-breaking research that almost had me reviewing my position on England's best-known Ufologist - until he mentioned George Adamski and how he believed that the Silver Spring footage of 1965 was "real".

With an impressive stage presence, Good noted that in 1991 he had exchanged letters with Mr. Cooper and latterly had become very concerned about the "new" MJ-12 documents being promoted, to an extent, by the Woods, zillionaire Joe Firmage and others. (There is also a suggestion that Cooper has gained financially from the documents but I'm not clear on this point.)

The evidence is damning, to say the least. Here it is, compressed. I have to apologise for not having taken notes. My colleague Karen did, but she's still at Leeds today. (I think she wants to ask Dr. Leir some difficult questions about his removal of supposed implants.....)

1 - The typewriter used by Cooper to write to Good eight years ago is almost exactly similar to that which produced some of the new documents.

2 - The style and indentation of paragraphs is exactly the same.

3 - The classifications on the documents rule out their being genuine; on one page "Restricted - Not for Public Inspection" (!), followed by the next page, "Top Secret" (!).

4 - Stanton Friedman has discovered that portions of the "new" MJ-12 material are LIFTED DIRECTLY from other documents to which Cooper has had access. In one case, material written by a General Wedemeyer.

5 - Part of the document number on one page, 1206, is the same as Cooper's Post Office Box address.

6 - Letters from the now clearly non-existent Salina Cantwheel, daughter of the mythical Thomas Cantwheel, were written in exactly the same handwriting as Tim Coopers!

And so it goes on.

A pretty devastating expose of material most of us knew was a fake - but not necessarily who by! Obviously the spelling mistakes (celestrial, feuls etc. etc.) ruled their being real out as did the fact that there was/is no provenance for these documents in the first place.

Good, although paying tribute to Stanton Friedman, now believes that MJ-12 Mark 1 (the Shandera package) is a fake and that all subsequent documents are fake, including what he described as the most 'impressive' one featured on page 467 of BEYOND TOP SECRET. This is also written in the same style as Cooper's 1991 letters to Good.....

Good also says that the Mexican video footage is unconvincing.

Dr. BobWood (Dr,BobWood@aol.com) responds:

Dear Mr. Matthews,

It could be helpful to all concerned if you would provide the source of your allegations in their original form that causes you to think that Tim Cooper is the principal person responsible for any faking of MJ-12 documents.

It will turn out that this is an egregious error, based on information that is incorrect.

Some of the documents are not truly authentic, but blaming it on Cooper fixes nothing. Others of the documents are indeed authentic. We are sorting this out carefully, systematically, and convincingly.

You must have been accepting some incorrect information to come to such a sweeping conclusion.

Nothing is in tatters, but all is being validated using proper questioned document techniques.

Sincerely,
Dr. Bob Wood

Ryan Wood (rswood@igc.apc.org) also responds:

Dear Mr Mathews,

Although I we haven't meet let me provide some quick comments to Mr. Good's concerns about Tim Cooper and some of the new MJ-12 documents

"The evidence is damning, to say the least. Here it is, compressed. I have to apologise for not having taken notes. My colleague Karen did, but she's still in Leeds today.

1 - The typewriter used by Cooper to write to Good eight years ago is almost exactly similar to that which produced some of the new documents."

YES, WE WERE AWARE OF THIS AND HAD IT CHECKED BY A QUESTIONED DOCUMENT EXAMINER ( PAST PRESIDENT OF THE ORGANIZATION). HIS WRITTEN STATEMENT SHOWS THAT DESPITE THE SIMILARITY IN TYPEWRITERS YOU CANNOT CONCLUDE THAT TIM'S TYPEWRITER DID IT! MAKES YOU SUSPICIOUS THOUGH.

2 - The style and indentation of paragraphs is exactly the same.

WHICH DOCUMENTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME, MAYBE THE ONE DOCUMENT THAT MR. GOOD IS DISCUSSING MIGHT BE, BUT THEY ARE ALL NOT. DID COOPER FAKE A DOCUMENT? MAYBE...THE JURY IS STILL OUT. DID HE FAKE ALL OF THEM...NO WAY, NO HOW. HE DOES / DID NOT HAVE THE TIME, MOTIVATION OR INTEREST IN SUCH ACTIONS.

3 - The classifications on the documents rule out their being genuine; on one page "Restricted - Not for Public Inspection" (!), followed by the next page, "Top Secret" (!).

THERE IS CONFUSION HERE. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME DOCUMENTS. THEY ARRIVED ON DIFFERENT DATES, MADE BY DIFFERENT TYPEWRITERS AND WE HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES OF WEIRD STAMPS. FOR EXAMPLE WOULD YOU BELIEVE THERE WAS A CLASSIFICATION CALLED SUPER-SECRET?

4 - Stanton Friedman has discovered that portions of the "new" MJ-12 material are lifted _directly_ from other documents to which Cooper has had access. In one case, material written by a General Wedemeyer.

SURE, WE ARE STUDYING THESE ASSERTIONS. DOES THAT MEAN THAT COOPER DID IT? DON'T THINK SO. WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN THERE ARE SOME IDENTICAL LANGUAGE SECTIONS IN CERTAIN MEMO'S OR SIMILAR SIGNITURES? WHY ARE THEY THE SAME? WHO ARE "THEY" TRYING TO FOOL? FOR WHAT END?

5 - Part of the document number on one page, 1206, is the same as Cooper's Post Office Box address.

SO WHAT? RANDOM COINCIDENCE, THERE ARE 100'S OF NUMBERS IN THE DOCUMENTS. WHY WOULD A FORGER OF THIS SOPHISTICATION PUT IN HIS MAILBOX NUMBER?

6 - Letters from the now clearly non-existent Salina Cantwheel, daughter of the mythical Thomas Cantwheel, were written in exactly the same handwriting as Tim Coopers!

THIS IS NOT TRUE. FORENSIC HANDWRITING EXPERTS HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

And so it goes on.

YES, AND ON IT GOES.

1) DID YOU KNOW THAT AN ORIGINAL 400 PAGE MANUSCRIPT WITH TOP SECRET/MJ-12 MARKINGS ARRIVED AT TIM'S MAILBOX?

2) DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME 150 PHOTOGRAPHS THAT HAVE ARRIVED?

3) DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A SHIFT NOW FROM PHOTOCOPIES TO ORIGINAL PAPER, WATERMARKS AND MARKINGS?

4) DID YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY ANALYZING SOME ADDITIONAL 2,000 PLUS PAGES OF NEWLY LEAKED MATERIAL?

AND WE ARE TO BELIEVE THAT MR. COOPER FAKED ALL THIS? NO WAY!

R Y A N S W O O D
Majestic Documents Investigator

And of CAUS Stan Friedman writes:

I think it is very premature to close out the original EBD, TF and CT memos which, of course, had nothing to do with Tim Cooper.. I am waiting to hear from Tim Good in response to material I faxed. One new piece of evidence is a statement from the GAO in their 456 page overview of what they did while looking for Roswell stuff that notes as follows:

"In several instances we noticed the classification Top Secret Restricted, used on several documents. This is mentioned because in past references to this classification (Majestic 12) we were told that it was not used during this period"

The CT memo is on original onion skin paper. It is difficult to believe a hoaxer would go to all the trouble to get real paper use a typeface so unexpected that Phil Klass paid me $1000. for providing another 10+ documents done using the same style and size Pica type as opposed to his claimed elite, and would also use a very rare classification instead of just plain TOP SECRET. There are many other reasons for saying this memo and the EBD and TF memos are genuine as described in my book TOP SECRET/MAJIC , my 108 page "Final Report on Operation Majestic 12" and in several papers.

On the other hand it is fairly easy to establish that at least 8 of the Tim Cooper documents are emulations of published memos, letters etc.. very similar language, identical hand written signatures and dates, slightly off information. I will be doing a paper documenting this. Yes, several but not all are directly based on items published in "Wedemeyer Reports". Guilt by association is not part of the scientific method.



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